I probably talk or think about death more often than others.

I don’t talk about sex as much as I do death, but is that a problem when entering the autumn years of your life?

Many people I know don’t like talking about death. Do you? Many don’t enjoy discussing sex but is it easier to talk about than death?

Is it odd or natural to think and talk about death and sex simultaneously? You tell me.

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Once upon a time, sex was a subject people didn’t like talking about. I’m going back to my early years here when sex was a hush-hush subject, almost taboo.

There was little information available about sex while I was growing up. The reaction I once got from my elders when I asked, ‘where do babies come from because I know the stork doesn’t bring them?‘ was like watching the faces of those watching the gory scene in a horror movie. ‘Is it something about a man and a woman solving a puzzle?‘ I went on to ask.

When I asked those questions, I got looks of shock, horror and embarrassment. My grandmother walked out of the room while my mother and father tried to change the subject quickly.

Lockdown talk

During the lockdown, my partner and I talked about death. But it was only while updating our wills. We couldn’t get past the point where we would talk about our deaths and what we wanted to happen when that time came. ‘We’ll talk about that another day,’ I told myself, yet death can come to any of us anytime. Can you imagine the problems we cause by not talking to each other about death?

Although nobody likes talking about death, we read, write and watch it happening in books, on television, in theatres and cinemas. It seems natural when reading, writing or watching it, but when talking about our deaths or the death of somebody we know, there comes the point where I hope somebody else will take the lead, and the subject will quickly change.

Why am I talking about death?

I have written about death here, but the truth is that what I call the otherside of death (where the person dying is not me) is approaching; it becomes a subject we can’t avoid. I have an aunt who is nearing the end of her life.

At 95 years old, some say my aunt has had an excellent innings. She loved life, but she wouldn’t like the life she is now living. I think I followed her for the love she had for life. However, she has spent what is left of her life in a hospital bed for the last three months. Her final words to me before she went into a deep sleep were, ‘I want to go home.’

I can relate to how she feels. Whenever I have been ill and not at home, I’ve always wanted to go home. If we allow it, being in familiar surroundings can help. Well, it always works for me. But does it help when nearing our final days?

As she faded in and out of consciousness, my aunt reacted to some voices in her hospital room yet ignored others. I wondered if she could choose which voices she wanted to respond to and which she chose to ignore? Does she have any control over what she hears while her life slips away?

Why do some people die quicker than others?

Truth be known, I wouldn’t say I like watching my aunt’s death being so drawn-out. The family all agree that she’d hate to be at the point she is – having to live the drawing out of the last days of her life in a deep sleep in a hospital bed. ‘There’s nothing else we can do for her except keep her comfortable,’ the medical staff tell us. ‘But keep talking to her because hearing is the last sense to go.

Really? Is hearing the last thing the dying sense? How can they possibly know? Have some of these staff lived previous lives, or has somebody who has left this world told them that’s what happens? It seems odd to say. I can not work out how they know.

When my father died in October 2020, his death was swift. He died within 24 hours of being taken ill. There were no weeks of being unconscious in a hospital bed. Yet when my mother died in September 2015, she took many weeks to die after we were told there was nothing else they could do. Why do some people die quickly, yet others seem to take weeks, months or years to pass?

Are those who have long-drawn-out deaths having to pay for what they may have done during their lives, or is there something or someone who has overall control over how long it takes for us to die? Do some linger because there is some unsettled business to attend to, or do we have no power over how long it takes to take that final breath?

Where do we go just before we die?

Years ago, I believed there was a waiting room we entered when dying. We sat there waiting for our name to be called before going through another door that took us on our next journey. Some remained longer in that waiting room than others. But while we wait, we are occasionally permitted to briefly go back through the first door to check what is happening in the world we are leaving. Perhaps we’re not quite ready to go because we’re waiting for somebody to come and say goodbye?

I’ve often asked myself why my mother took so long to pass away. Did she not want to go, or was she told she had to wait her turn? In life, we queue. Do we have to queue to die?

When we die, are we leaving behind those still alive, or do the living leave us behind?

I probably talk or think about death more often than others. Many people I know don’t like talking about it. How often do you talk about death?

Perhaps I should have talked more about sex? But would anyone have wanted to discuss it with me?

What are your thoughts on why we dislike discussing death or sex?

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104 responses to “Shall We Talk About Death Or Sex?”

  1. Book Club Mom avatar

    Hi Hugh – these are very thought-provoking questions. I think most people don’t want to talk openly about sex because it embarrasses them and most people don’t want to talk about death because it’s frightening.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      It’s strange why so many people still don’t talk about either, Barbara. 80 years ago, I could understand why not talking about sex was the thing, but in this modern, open world, sex and death are even more evident. And I wonder how many problems we’d solve by discussing them more freely?

      1. Book Club Mom avatar

        You’re right, Hugh.

  2. Iamnirvick avatar
    Iamnirvick

    Hi Hugh, i think death creates this fearful thought in our mind while discussing cause we all know the real scenario of a funeral and no one in their good mental health would like to face those situations of permanent loss. While sex is a very embarrassing topic for most of us to talk to anybody. As others said, both are very personal subjects and we prefer to talk about it only to our close or preferred individuals. But, i also like to talk about death. It always creates an sense of uncertainty which really we should all be aware of. We often become so busy with life that we forgot to enjoy life and funerals and death never fails to remember us that everything is gonna end someday. And that is the only reason i think people doesn’t talk about death. It breaks the illusion of permanent among us.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      The uncertainty you referred to is intriguing to me. Another reader commented about the Death Cafes, where people can meet up and talk about death, so it seems some people don’t mind talking about it. I don’t think it’s a subject any of us should shy away from talking about. I believe talking about it does a lot of good in the long term, especially when it comes to funeral arrangements.
      Thank you for joining the discussion.

  3. Chuck avatar

    Hi Hugh, If you recall, I lost my husband in Jan. 2019. His death happened in less than a minute. He spoke briefly, telling me he couldn’t feel his body. Perhaps it was his way of telling me he wasn’t in any pain. But I’m not sure he was cognizant since it happened so quickly. If we could have a choice, I’m sure we all would want to go as he did. I’m a believer in Hospice to prevent the individual from suffering. You are correct. Spouses or close family should discuss death to determine what efforts they wish or don’t to maintain their life. We also need to know their final wishes. Because we had that discussion, I was able to handle his funeral and burial as he requested. Discussion of death, as well as sexual desires, are difficult conversations. It can be easier with a couple of glasses of wine. Great post, Hugh. We should feel comfortable having more like this one. HUGS

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Hi Chuck, it’s great to hear from you. Hope all is well with you.

      I recall the news of the death of your husband. I’m so pleased that the two of you had discussed death and funeral arrangements beforehand. That’s interesting that you say that he could not feel his body before he passed away. I hope that the same for all of us when our time comes.

      Unfortunately, my aunt continues to suffer. It’s hard to understand why she doesn’t pass away instead of living her final days in pain. There is so much sorrow in her eyes. The nursing staff try and make her as comfortable as possible, but seeing her live life this way is a terrible experience.

      I hope to have many posts like this one. Thank you for joining the discussion.

      1. Chuck avatar

        I’m sorry to hear about your Aunt. Does the United Kingdom have something similar to our Hospice system? The Hospice staff with authorization can administer increased amounts of pain medication to hasten the period the patient has to suffer. In my opinion, it is a humane way to help the dying when there is no hope of recovery.
        Thank you, Hugh, I am doing well.

        1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

          There are hospices in the UK, Chuck, but many hospitals have good end-of-life care wards too. My aunt has become so frail that she could not make it through a move. She continues to surprise us with her survival. For whatever reason, she doesn’t seem ready to go.

  4. cav12 avatar

    I think death is a conundrum. We know it’s inevitable but we don’t really want to acknowledge we’re all going to die. I like your analogy of the ‘waiting room’ but not when people are suffering. It’s an awful way to die for the individual and the family.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      I’ve witnessed several deaths where people have lingered, often in pain, so they must have lots of strong medication, which usually knocks them out. All they want to do is move on, yet they linger. It’s a terrible way to suffer at the end of one’s life.

      1. cav12 avatar

        I’ve a theory about those who linger. My grandmother waited until my cousin, her first born grandson to arrive and then she passed away. An inlaw remained as her family really didn’t want her to die and I think she stayed for her husband and children. Though, there may be other reasons, who knows.

        1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

          I guess we’ll only ever know when we reach that point. I’m still 50/50 whether we have any control over when we pass away.

  5. Michelle (Boomer Eco Crusader) avatar

    This was such a thought-provoking read Hugh. If I am honest, I have to say I am more comfortable talking about death than sex. It’s interesting what you say about how death comes more quickly to some than others. My father-in-law wasted away for months, not knowing anyone. It felt cruel to me. Those are the times when the controversial topic of assisted dying comes to mind although, as a Catholic, I dare not say those words out loud in the wrong company.

    My grandmother lived to be 97, and luckily was in very good health until about a year before she died. I remember her saying to me “What do you do when you have lived too long.” Her husband had died 40 years earlier and all of her friends were long gone. It was her way of saying she was ready to go.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Hi Michelle,

      I’m not sure why, but your first comments went straight to my WordPress spam folder. Whereas your second comment came straight through for approval. It’s one of those mysteries about why it happened, but I’m pleased to say that I check my spam folder daily.

      Thank you for reading this post and joining the discussion. I think your Grandmother’s words are very wise. I’ve also heard of people dying from heartbreak after the death of a partner because they can not bear to be alone and without them.

      I wonder if some of us do get to choose when we can say goodbye when it does not involve suicide?

  6. dgkaye avatar

    Great discussion Hugh. And yes, I think of death all too often, especially since losing my husband last year, and witnessing his stages til death. I’ve also read many books since that talk about these things but witnessing it is a whole different kettle of fish. I will say one thing I witnessed with my husband, and a few others that have passed on. When death is nearing, our loved ones start speaking to passed on loved ones as though they are being called and perhaps feeling a peace knowing there are loved ones on the other side waiting to guide them. Two weeks before my husband passed, he woke in the middle of the night, raising his arms and speaking words I couldn’t quite make out, but I did understand he was calling out to his dead daughter and sister. I’d witnessed this before with my dying aunt and knew the end was nearing. Also, I would recommend cemetery plots and burial decisions be discussed while a couple are still well and cognizant. I can tell you with authority, in the midst of my anticipatory grief and worry while my husband was dying, I was also in a mad scramble to decide all that because for years he begged me to discuss and make plans with him and I wasn’t having any of that ‘death talk’. Gratefully, I knew his wishes and during turmoil organized his final resting place. A raw topic for sure, but easier in the end if we’re prepared. <3

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Thanks, Debby. I’m delighted that so many have joined the discussion on this post. Thank you for sharing your experience of the death of your husband.

      I’ve only ever witnessed my mother dying in front of me. She never spoke during her final days, maybe because she had dementia, and it was heartbreaking that she had no idea who I was for the last couple of years of her life. However, when she looked up at me and smiled just before passing away, I was convinced that she knew exactly who I was for those brief few seconds.

      Yes, death can be a raw subject, but the discussions on this post have convinced me to get on with discussing what both my partner and I want when our times come. We’ve updated our wills, and we now just need to talk about funerals.

      1. dgkaye avatar

        I will add, since you mentioned, exactly one week before my beloved passed, he too stopped talking, he was unable to speak, suddenly. He spoke with his eyes and fingers. I’m convinced that is part of the end. A painful topic for sure, but I’m glad you have found solace in this discussion. Yes, make the plans, then get on with the living, or it will hang over you . Trust me. <3

  7. Janis @ RetirementallyChallenged.com avatar

    Great topic, and I’ve enjoyed reading the various comments. Both my mom and dad are gone; one lingered for several months (stroke) and the other dealt with dementia while remaining mostly happy and fairly healthy. I don’t understand why we allow the terminally ill to suffer. I think many of us would choose a different death, on our terms, if we could.

    Have you heard of the Death Cafe organization? They host groups of people who meet to discuss death, illness, and quality of life. If there is a meeting in your area, I encourage you to go. They provide a welcoming, safe place to talk about a topic many avoid… even though all of us will be faced with at some point.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      I agree with you about being allowed to choose a different death instead of suffering a life full of pain and where we lose our dignity, Janis.

      Thank you for telling me about the Death Cafe. I’d never heard of it. I checked out their website and the nearest one to me is about 80 miles away. They have a great website, so I’ll be checking them out some more.

      The conversations have been excellent on this post. I’ve enjoyed reading them all. Even though we don’t like talking about death, it seems that some of us do (when prompted to do so). I’m delighted that so many readers decided to add their voices. Thank you for adding yours.

  8. itstrikesmenow avatar
    itstrikesmenow

    Made me rethink stuffs..

  9. TanGental avatar

    Interesting question, Hugh. I have become more comfortable talking about death since Dad died in 2005. Those first conversations were with Mum, about what she wanted and that has led Linda and I to talk about it and address it with the children. I doubt they have any doubts about how we think and feel. Sometimes, because that’s who I am, I make a joke about it, but the essence of what might happen – long term illness, assisted deaths, homes, dementia, type of post death planning, all sorts. I have little time for all religions and ceremonies, so I’m absolutely certain that post death I’ll be best as compost and no one should care what they do, save that they do whatever makes them comfortable. But if they can find a way for the mother of all parties, well, I’m up for that.
    Sex is maybe more awkward. I have no difficulty with my generation, though we tend not to focus on techniques, but the children? No, I don’t think so; I’m sure they’re happier thinking they are the product of clever science and not their parents sharing bodily fluids. It was ever thus.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Thanks for joining the discussion, Geoff. I had a feeling these topics would get people talking.

      I’m glad you also got your children involved in knowing what you both want when it comes to saying goodbye. John and I need to sit down and discuss what we want before it’s too late. We do have wills that cover everything. After my mother died of dementia and there was no will, the problems I encountered were the worse I’ve ever experienced. It really showed up the true colours of some family members too. Something I’d never want to go through again.

      1. TanGental avatar

        Yes, I understand how that can be. My mother in laws family blew apart when her father died, over the allocation of the cost of flowers. Do you and John have the financial and Heath powers of attorney? We’ve managed to persuade mother in law to grant them to her children before she slips completely into a fog.

        1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

          Yes, we do. After the experiences of having to sort out my mother’s estate with various parts of the family who were challenging, we ensured we had covered ourselves for every eventuality. The last thing we want is for either one of us or anyone else to encounter lots of problems, disagreements and fallout after our deaths.

          Good that your mother-in-law has granted them too. I think it’s the generation above us who probably didn’t have to overthink about ‘what if?’ situations when they made wills. Now that we are all living longer, it is essential to have a power of attorney or letter of attorney.

          1. TanGental avatar

            Grand. It was a little fraught explaining to the children that they were on the list of attorneys. Jenni was horrified but I did notice Sam making some notes,…

            1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

              I can understand why Jenni was horrified. The same happened when we talked to John’s niece about our wills and death. She was horrified and wanted to change the subject quickly.

  10. Robert J Jr. avatar

    I think death is such a natural part of life there should be more conversations about it. Culture and family dynamics definately play a part how/when or if most people would talk. Also I think society’s idea is mostly pointed to youthfulness and shuns elderly and aged so folks are not ready when death comes.

    As to conversations about sex, again society, religion, family, culture play a huge factor in this. Being a gay man myself, there culture never talks about it but will quickly say “be safe”! There was not a family talk, a faith talk, a father/son talk.

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Thanks for your thoughts on these subjects, Robert.

      I agree that culture and faith play significant parts in what discussions take place at home. I hope one day, all cultures will talk openly about same-sex relationships and accept them as part of the world.

  11. James L avatar

    Call me a prude, but there is still something about sex talk that makes me uncomfortable – especially from strangers.

    I used to follow a blog, but he changed his niche to talk about sex, and I unfollowed him, I guess because I lost interest in being so explicit about something so private, but also because I didn’t want someone looking over my shoulder seeing a blog post titled “A**l sex: Great or a pain in the butt?” from my WordPress reader! (see that’s an example of how reserved I am that I can’t even write the word!)

    I’m probably a rarity but even my close male friends don’t talk about sex – they don’t brag about, talk about having it, or even express desires making sexual comments about attractive people!

    My wife often comes home from work sharing explicit details of her colleagues sex lives – I’ve said if she ever goes into such detail about ours, I’d divorce her! 😂

    Regarding death, I’m more open to talking about it, and accepting of it, which perhaps makes me a bit too remorseful if I feel like I’m wasting time, and wasting my limited life away.

    Although saying that my wife and I have discussed getting a will for a while, yet kept putting it off, perhaps it’s our age (late thirties) where we don’t want to think the worst could happen sooner than we think, but it’s probably something we should pursue, at least for the security of our kids.

    I’ve heard the “hearing is the last thing to go” as well Hugh, and I had the same thought as you. Before my grandad died, he fell into a vegitative state for 24 hours – it was hard seeing him like that, but I just said thanks to him for everything he had done and giving me the opportunity at life.

    It was only when leaving, assuming the hearing thing is true I wondered if I’d actually talked loud enough or if I was just muttering, and would he have heard this death bed profession of love!

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      Thanks for joining the discussion, James.

      It’s interesting what you say that your mates do not discuss the subject of sex but that your wife comes home with tales of what goes on behind the bedroom door of some of her work colleagues.

      When working, I’d often go on nights out with my male work colleagues, and I’d be shocked at some of the disgusting comments about sex they’d direct at women. I often just wanted the floor to open up and swallow me when I heard some of what they said. Of course, it was usually too much alcohol that was the problem, but some of them would tell me about affairs they were having and what went on behind hotel bedroom doors. When I asked why they were telling me, they’d reply because I was gay and, therefore, would not tell anyone. That’s always been a mystery to me.

      In my early teens, I remember how my mates would brag about who they had slept with and who they wanted to sleep with. I never knew if what they were saying was true.

      Even at a young age, I’d recommend you and your wife do wills. Having lived through the awful experience of my mother and stepfather not having wills, I saw a horrible side to my family when my mother passed away. It’s something I’d not want to wish on anyone.

      Unless I see or hear proof that hearing is the last sense to go as somebody passes away, the jury is out on that subject. However, I have no problem with people feeling comfortable that it’s what actually happens. After all, I took what the medical staff looking after my aunt said and continue to talk to her when I visit her.

  12. Terri Webster Schrandt avatar

    Wow, where to start, Hugh? I could write volumes on death, but since I’m tapping letters into my phone I will be brief. Both topics are worth talking about.

    Death is a difficult topic because we know little about it. You mentioned your father’s quick passage into eternity and your mother’s slower one. We’ll never really know the why, but I can tell you I sat with my mom on her last two days and witnessed her reaching out to her grandfather and calling his name in her semi conscious state. Like one foot here and one in eternity. As I talked to her a little later, she suddenly opened her eyes, looked right at me and told me she loved me…”Terri, I love you.” That was a gift from God and closure I needed to move on.

    When she passed away at 3am two days later, I was back at home but I felt her pass. I had woken up to use the bathroom I said out loud to myself that I can’t feel her anymore. At 6:30 that morning, my brother called to say she had passed at that very time.

    So much for brief 🙄 An intriguing set of topics and this post will keep you busy with comments, Hugh. Enjoy the rest of your week!

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      I wonder if knowing how death occurs, what it can look like, and what happens when we witness it in person, we know all that there is to know about it, Terri? Of course, there is what if anything happens after death, but we will never know unless we come back and remember what happened. Some claim to have done so, but I’ve never heard the same version of what happenes, although walking towards a bright light seems to be the popular take.

      I was also with my mother when she passed, but she never spoke during the last week of her life. However, shortly before she passed, she opened her eyes, looked up at me and smiled. She died of senile dementia and didn’t know who I was for the last few years of her life. However, I had an overwhelming sense that she knew who I was at that moment.

      Thank you for sharing your experience and for also joining the discussion.

      1. Terri Webster Schrandt avatar

        I would wager your mom knew exactly who you were at that moment , Hugh. How wonderful!

  13. Michelle - mybijoulife avatar

    I’m not particularly uncomfortable with either subject, although sex is way more fun to discuss than death.

    I’ve been present at the deaths of all 4 grandparents and my dad. The men spent the least time suffering. My dad unexpectedly died and the entire process (for him) lasted about 10 minutes. His father was about 48 hours. My maternal grandfather was about 10 days. My two grandmothers suffered for months. I would hypothesize that any difference – if it does exist as my experience is purely anecdotal – has something to do with the biology of gender. What I have learned with these experiences is that losing someone just sucks. There is no philosophical perspective that makes it more palatable – and I’ve tried out many of the non-religious ones.

    As for sex, it’s a very enjoyable biological function. :D

    Michelle

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      I wonder if that is true about men taking less time to die than women, Michelle? I’ve never thought about it like that, but I know that my grandmother from my mother’s side also had a long-drawn-out death, whereas my grandfather had a quick death. My aunt’s husband (my uncle) died a few years ago, and his death lasted a couple of days, but nothing like the length of time it is taking my aunt to pass.

      Thanks for chipping in about sex, too. I’ve not had much to discuss on that subject, so your one-line comment on it was welcomed.

  14. wrookieschu avatar

    I would probably be more comfortable talking about death than sex, how strange. Maybe as I’m a nurse and see death more than others…

    1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

      That’s a good point with being a nurse, Wayne. My nephew is also a nurse and has no problem discussing death.

      1. wrookieschu avatar

        Sex on the other hand…I still get embarrassed. No idea why.

        1. Hugh W. Roberts avatar

          Perhaps because it’s such a personal thing? But then again, so is buying a pair of shoes or a shirt.

          1. wrookieschu avatar

            Hmmm yeah maybe 🤣

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